i'm pretty smart
I think the g31 you recommend is well worth it. That and a q6600. Any diff between that and the q6700? I realize that 4gb of ram is more than enough, and that dual monitors with dual bloated virtual machines is kind of intense. That, and I can always do better to trim things down, because it translates to being able to help other systems perform better. Not sure if I mentioned xp performance edition, it's a great dl, already activated, best vm I've ever used, only 80mb ram at idle---
this is pretty cool, all it takes is a little intelligence and you can make things good, like loading the most commonly used apps in memory to keep the hard drive from spinning up.
made a p3 dell laptop instantly fast on most gui stuff where it didn't spin up the hdd.
i did alot of testing, i found in games and rendering the Wolfdale E8400 3.0 45 nm screamed i did alot of testing wtih the q6600 and the q8200
If you were doing production rendering like final cut then the q8200 is nice, for the price, off the bat the q6600 draws too much power and its on the old core,
apple likes to use the new features of any new core out so any upgrade would have to be the new Wolfdale 45 nm its a completely different chip
and it has many new features and new Instructions sets that apple employees just love to use, all over that like a hot bitch and a popsicle.
Advanced modern games like warcraft are only written for the time being, for 2 cores, or one core with hyperthreding.
your general computer usage will be much faster with the e8400 and the price at microcenter for that is very good.
i feel the 6meg cache more then make up for it not being a quad core its only between 10% 20% slower rendering times over the quad
but the e8400 its like 60% faster at everything else. boot, application loading, games-
the only other thing you mentioned is Virt. Machines, the more you run the more cores that software will use. you may have some kind of odd need
to run more then one virt machine, i know the e8400 fully supports "Virtualization" and parallels 4 and that has driectx support in it so some directx games now work, the q8200 does not support virt.
Other reasons to stay away from the q6600,
all the motherboard manufactures are now using less quality parts to make more profits like Choke coils, Voltage Regulators, Capacitors,
They all " SAY" they support older cpu's but they assume 95% of the buying populous would buy a new core cpu 45nm (less draw) processors anyways.
I was doing some tests with a Pentium 4 3.6ghz prescott, 800 mhz fsb Hyper threading and the mother board would last a day and then something would pop,
i had great cooling, i switch from msi to gigabyte and it lasted about a week before that one smoked because gigabyte uses better stuff, but still cant handle the draw,
the power distribution is very sophisticated compared to a single core vs multicore even though it uses the same socket 775 package,
Anyways, when the q6600 was out it was the cats meow, for windows xp users and vista users it still will be nice for a long time to come,
apple users are always one or ten steps ahead of the game, all the people out there running q6600 one day will go to update itunes or
ilife, or Final cut or Virt. software and it will flag a error saying Your cpu is not supported lol, i am sure they will come out with a patch that will emulate the new ssse4.5.6. or what ever they have
at the time, but then you get a loss of speed up to 30% in some cases. because the app is now designed to hit that instruction set because
the apple programmers designed the app to use that instruction to get ether better features or to make the app run better.
for now i am letting all that i7 core and DDR3 bs marinate, its way too expensive and the gains are marginal. Apps, OS, Games are way behind,
im sure one day getting a i7 would be critical, but then again maybe not,
apple may be toying with the idea of getting out of X86 and back into PPC for use of the CELL at-least for the desktop market
only because this clone thing is not going away and its pissing them of pretty bad.
the non desktop markets will probably use a cpu from that company they bought i believe it was some kind of MIPS or PPC architecture,
X86 is like some kind of abortion that lived, i am sure once production is available for the cell and mobile cpu, they will
do another transition, just to piss off everyone doing clones, and kind of force a mandatory go out and buy a new mac type thing - bastards.
the good news is this... any total rewrite will automatically include genuine multi core support for everything across the board, witch is also what every one wants.
My 8600gts has a higher ram clock than the 9600 but less throughput... So xbench saw it as faster on some quartz tests... weird stuff. I see that the 9800 has higher clock speeds but it's not as tightly supported so I'll prob still shy away. For now I think i'll stick with 8600 even though I can't run full setting in some things like quake. Should be enough for starcraft 2.
Yeah the current support for the 8600 is very good, if my xfx 8600gt was not burned up i would be using it right now.
but my wife taxing it all last year with all that warcraft playing killed it.
Here's a question. Is my mobo more compatible for the long term than the g31 you mention?
no, your board is not 45nm compatible, nor is it quad capable, nor is it capable of anything higher then (actual mhz 166 mhz) 667 fsb ram
but i like your board because of the onboard video fully works,
the g31 boards with the GMA3100 video does not work because of no apple driver and is completely different then the mobile driver GMAX3100
but you and i and all the machines i now build have real video cards in them now so i guess its not really
that big of a deal, because the 8400gs is only 34.99 and runs FCP and any pro app to where INTEL gma will not.
I think if I push a quad core with 4gb ddr2 1066 I'll be all set for a year or more.
for this you would need the Gigabyte g31 board form microcenter
That's hella fast and I should calm down.
FSB & Memory MHZ 200/266/333 is the actual mhz, marketing would never tell you that though----
" Quad Pumped " sigh
cool, the difference between 800 and 1066 is BIG in noticeable speed,
the difference between 1066 and 1333 the difference is very small if not alt all.
Esp since the clock cycle on ddr3 is actually slower (2x the timing 8-8-8-24), so there is a gap between high clock ddr and lower clock ddr3 in speed anyway. Big gyp!
Max
ps:
if you do the math even with the new shit, divide by 4 and that is the actual mhz of the item..
kinda makes the 133 mhz fsb/ram of the p3 not look so bad, or slow after all, that is because its not really that bad, they started the quad pumped bs with the pentium 4 and continued,
this is pretty cool, all it takes is a little intelligence and you can make things good, like loading the most commonly used apps in memory to keep the hard drive from spinning up.
made a p3 dell laptop instantly fast on most gui stuff where it didn't spin up the hdd.
i did alot of testing, i found in games and rendering the Wolfdale E8400 3.0 45 nm screamed i did alot of testing wtih the q6600 and the q8200
If you were doing production rendering like final cut then the q8200 is nice, for the price, off the bat the q6600 draws too much power and its on the old core,
apple likes to use the new features of any new core out so any upgrade would have to be the new Wolfdale 45 nm its a completely different chip
and it has many new features and new Instructions sets that apple employees just love to use, all over that like a hot bitch and a popsicle.
Advanced modern games like warcraft are only written for the time being, for 2 cores, or one core with hyperthreding.
your general computer usage will be much faster with the e8400 and the price at microcenter for that is very good.
i feel the 6meg cache more then make up for it not being a quad core its only between 10% 20% slower rendering times over the quad
but the e8400 its like 60% faster at everything else. boot, application loading, games-
the only other thing you mentioned is Virt. Machines, the more you run the more cores that software will use. you may have some kind of odd need
to run more then one virt machine, i know the e8400 fully supports "Virtualization" and parallels 4 and that has driectx support in it so some directx games now work, the q8200 does not support virt.
Other reasons to stay away from the q6600,
all the motherboard manufactures are now using less quality parts to make more profits like Choke coils, Voltage Regulators, Capacitors,
They all " SAY" they support older cpu's but they assume 95% of the buying populous would buy a new core cpu 45nm (less draw) processors anyways.
I was doing some tests with a Pentium 4 3.6ghz prescott, 800 mhz fsb Hyper threading and the mother board would last a day and then something would pop,
i had great cooling, i switch from msi to gigabyte and it lasted about a week before that one smoked because gigabyte uses better stuff, but still cant handle the draw,
the power distribution is very sophisticated compared to a single core vs multicore even though it uses the same socket 775 package,
Anyways, when the q6600 was out it was the cats meow, for windows xp users and vista users it still will be nice for a long time to come,
apple users are always one or ten steps ahead of the game, all the people out there running q6600 one day will go to update itunes or
ilife, or Final cut or Virt. software and it will flag a error saying Your cpu is not supported lol, i am sure they will come out with a patch that will emulate the new ssse4.5.6. or what ever they have
at the time, but then you get a loss of speed up to 30% in some cases. because the app is now designed to hit that instruction set because
the apple programmers designed the app to use that instruction to get ether better features or to make the app run better.
for now i am letting all that i7 core and DDR3 bs marinate, its way too expensive and the gains are marginal. Apps, OS, Games are way behind,
im sure one day getting a i7 would be critical, but then again maybe not,
apple may be toying with the idea of getting out of X86 and back into PPC for use of the CELL at-least for the desktop market
only because this clone thing is not going away and its pissing them of pretty bad.
the non desktop markets will probably use a cpu from that company they bought i believe it was some kind of MIPS or PPC architecture,
X86 is like some kind of abortion that lived, i am sure once production is available for the cell and mobile cpu, they will
do another transition, just to piss off everyone doing clones, and kind of force a mandatory go out and buy a new mac type thing - bastards.
the good news is this... any total rewrite will automatically include genuine multi core support for everything across the board, witch is also what every one wants.
My 8600gts has a higher ram clock than the 9600 but less throughput... So xbench saw it as faster on some quartz tests... weird stuff. I see that the 9800 has higher clock speeds but it's not as tightly supported so I'll prob still shy away. For now I think i'll stick with 8600 even though I can't run full setting in some things like quake. Should be enough for starcraft 2.
Yeah the current support for the 8600 is very good, if my xfx 8600gt was not burned up i would be using it right now.
but my wife taxing it all last year with all that warcraft playing killed it.
Here's a question. Is my mobo more compatible for the long term than the g31 you mention?
no, your board is not 45nm compatible, nor is it quad capable, nor is it capable of anything higher then (actual mhz 166 mhz) 667 fsb ram
but i like your board because of the onboard video fully works,
the g31 boards with the GMA3100 video does not work because of no apple driver and is completely different then the mobile driver GMAX3100
but you and i and all the machines i now build have real video cards in them now so i guess its not really
that big of a deal, because the 8400gs is only 34.99 and runs FCP and any pro app to where INTEL gma will not.
I think if I push a quad core with 4gb ddr2 1066 I'll be all set for a year or more.
for this you would need the Gigabyte g31 board form microcenter
That's hella fast and I should calm down.
FSB & Memory MHZ 200/266/333 is the actual mhz, marketing would never tell you that though----
" Quad Pumped " sigh
cool, the difference between 800 and 1066 is BIG in noticeable speed,
the difference between 1066 and 1333 the difference is very small if not alt all.
Esp since the clock cycle on ddr3 is actually slower (2x the timing 8-8-8-24), so there is a gap between high clock ddr and lower clock ddr3 in speed anyway. Big gyp!
Max
ps:
if you do the math even with the new shit, divide by 4 and that is the actual mhz of the item..
kinda makes the 133 mhz fsb/ram of the p3 not look so bad, or slow after all, that is because its not really that bad, they started the quad pumped bs with the pentium 4 and continued,
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